MOVELUVR (MR): I’ve invited a guest to discuss the movie Watchmen. His name is Joe Perez, (AKA Dr. Nebuloso), a fellow lover of movies and avid comic book reader.
Joe, how close is the movie to the book?
DN: The movie is very close to the book; although, the same could be said for something like Doctor Zhivago or Les Miserables. Not to compare those great works of literature to an 80’s graphic novel, but the idea is the same. All in all, the movie stays very true to story in the book. The major part is the art direction and director’s palette. It has a loud echo of the source material. What lacks is the underlying theme of the story and the full message of what I call, the ‘serious satire’ of comic book world grounded in reality. Also some of the layers of the story telling is there, but not as apparent as the book.
Margie, as some one who has never read the book, what did you think of the story/characters?
MR: I really liked parts of the movie. This movie is not your average Superhero movie. It focuses more on the drama of being a superhero. I loved how the movie challenged the thin line between what makes a superhero and what makes a villain. This can be seen in the characters The Comedian and Rorschach.
I was most impressed by how Watchman challenges the idea of a Utopia and the lengths one would have to take to bring about one. We’ve heard people justify the casualties of a war by saying, “You’ve got to crack some eggs to make an omelet”. This movie is definitely a parody on that. In some ways it reminded me of a play I read in college called Major Barbara, by Bernard Shaw. Towards the end of the play, the character, who was working for the Salvation Army, is convinced by her father that it’s okay to develop weapons of mass destruction if they helped create a clean, happy and morale society of middle-class citizens.
I’m a sucker for thought-provoking movies. Do you think most people would understand that this story is a parody if they have not read the book?
DN: That’s a tricky question, I don’t think anyone who hasn’t read the book, or have been knee deep in comics for a while will fully understand the satire it presents; some of it is very apparent (hint: there is a batman and robin poster on the wall in some of the stills from the opening credits for symbolism). Even the heroes themselves are allegories for already established comic book heroes. Historically comic books are looked at in ‘ages’: The Golden Age heroes (1931-1950), the Sliver Age (1950-75) and the modern age, which we are still technically in.
Dr. Manhattan – Captain Atom, Golden Age Superman
Rorschach – The Question, ‘dark’ Batman
Nite Owl – Goodie two shoes Silver Age Batman
Silk Spectre – Silver Age Black Canary
The Comedian – Us, the dark side of human condition
I think it would have been hard to get this to come through in a movie, as even the book is hard to really understand unless you have some knowledge of comic book history. You can read Steinbeck or J. D. Salinger in Elementary School, but you won’t really understand it till you have been somewhat seasoned in life and literature all together. This is what makes it difficult for the movie to work. Most people, not all, but most people are unwilling to see comic books in this light. Something does get lost in translation on film, without a doubt. Watchmen is such a respected book in the comic book community, even those that don’t like the book, seem to have some respect for what it did for the Industry all together. The movie should have been a bookend to the comic book film genre, very much like “A Touch of Evil” bookend the true Film Noir Genre. It will be interesting what people with think of the film after the comic book fad is over and put to sleep for sometime.
That being said, I didn’t think this was a ‘great’ movie. It was good, but not great. There were many aspects of the movie that just didn’t work and came off as pretentious and silly.
Margie, what were some of your favorite moments, and worst… ?
MR: The movie was just good for me also. Favorite moments for me were all the parts with The Comedian. Jeffery Dean Morgan was perfect in this role and I wouldn’t be surprised if his career skyrockets after this. Rorschach in prison was hilarious; and even Dr. Manhattan’s break down was good.
I hated the song choice in the movie. The music was too loud and gave the movie a forced music video feel. But, mostly the movie lacked some needed depth. I understand that movies are always fighting the clock, and Watchmen was already three hours long. However, the movie doesn’t really explain the relationship the superheroes had with the government. Dr. Manhattan was the only superhero whose past was fully explained. I kept wondering how the other heroes got their powers, in some cases, I was wondering what those powers were. Most of the movie only shows the heroes fighting or shooting. No x-ray vision, no weather manipulation. The supposed villain in this movie needed to be developed some more.
There were some holes in the plot as well. I didn’t fully understand the Pyramid scheme. It felt like it was thrown in as an easy solution. In addition, I was expecting a murder mystery in a superhero alternate universe. While the movie began that way, it didn’t end that way. It became a conspiracy type of plot instead. Though this is what gave the movie its depth at the same time.
There was a point in Western films where the cowboy as a hero was turned into an anti-hero. It seems like that is the new trend with the comic book-based movies. With Batman Begins, Iron Man, the upcoming Wolverine movie, comic book movies have really become popular. Do you think there is still room for more comic book movies?
DN: I agree with you. Malin Ackerman was dreadfully awful in this film, nearly every scene she was in she felt out of place and uncomfortable. More than anything I felt she was just too young. There were some gems as you mentioned. Jeffery Dean Morgan stole every scene he was in. I was surprised how much he looks like Javier Bardeem. Patrick Wilson who played Nite Owl was great also. I definitely identified with him as a character.
The movies music was much displaced like red wine stains on a white silk shirt, although the music during Dr. Manhattan’s origin story as amazing. It is on heavy rotation on my Ipod.
The good parts were any scene with Rorschach doing what he does best. The fight scenes were well thought out. The overall story was entertaining.
The book gives a lot more explanation about the governments roll on Costumed Hero registration. If you have ever seen the Pixar’s The Incredibles that pretty much sums it up. It borrows heavy from Watchmen.
I think there is still room for comic book movies. I think we are just getting started. The Dark Knight was definitely a high water mark for the genre…Although, that movie borrowed very little from any source material, other than characters and a few subtle sub-plots.
I think the key to making a good comic book movie is take what we, the viewer, loves about them and write something original. I think we will see a lot about the direction of this genre with the upcoming release of X-Men Origins: Wolverine. With Wolverine (the anti-hero of the Marvel universe, the equivalent of Batman to the DC universe) if all goes well, we most definitely see the re-birth of the Anti-Hero. Interestingly enough, there was a similar pattern that happened in the comic book world. Shortly after the Watchmen book was released, we saw many anti-heroes come to the forefront. i.e. Wolverine, The Dark Knight Returns, The Punisher, Sin City… People love anti-heroes.
It will be interesting to see what will happen. I love Spaghetti Westerns.
What I am really looking forward to is the ‘Directors Cut,’ I have been hearing rumors about it on the Intarweb. The Curse of the Black Freighter will be edited into the film along with many of the deleted scenes.
Margie, Do you think you will own the DVD, or re-watch it when the director’s cut is released?
MR: Anti-heroes does seem to be an American tradition, and comic books are no different. I can’t wait to see what comes after the anti-hero.
I would pass on owning Watchmen. Though I think I would re-watch it for the Director’s cut. And I’m definitely interested in reading the book.
Thanks for the intellectual discussion! That about wraps up all there is to say about Watchmen.